1. Dyebat, Citroenlady, Knudt and I are not in any way involved with any anonymous blogs or twitter accounts. We have always posted with our names and will continue to do so.
2. While we certainly can empathize with the frustration and anger that many fans have towards SBFII and/or the Staff, and/or some members - we are working through data to get at the truth. We are dealing with facts. We don't agree with mixing some facts with unfounded accusations, posting personal names and or adding unwarranted insults.
3. DJG received his information via members and staff permission errors. He has stated his intent and shown restraint in using pseudonyms. He was the victim of a lengthy coordinated hate campaign and is clearing his name.
4. As far as I know, there is only one person in the SB community that wants SBFII destroyed and that is the cyber-bully cyber-stalker known as WalkerD, Mark Conner, Orgonon, Willson, and many many other names.
Ah, so it might be very important to know who the new blogger is--or at least who it is not. As always, thanks!
ReplyDeleteSo it might be important who the new blogger is--or at least who it is not. Thank you for reminding us!
ReplyDeleteSkywriter, Posting an anonymous blog and twitter with such mean-spirited content is cowardly. And it gives some justification to those that think "DJG'ers" and some members/former members are "evil". Interesting that they appeared shortly after Knudt's latest blog stating that we are close to the end. Perhaps, someone with something to hide is creating this drama as a distraction? It's obviously intended to provoke. It could be a disgruntled member/former member or it could be a Staff member/supporter attempting to make some look bad. Nothing surprises me anymore. note to Sassy : your comment is crass and I think that you owe ME an apology. I know you are angry but that was just plain mean. You are better than that.
ReplyDeleteI, for one, would like to know the truth. And I thank anyone who can bring this to light.
ReplyDeleteChris, in reference to your #1 above, I'm going to piggyback to say ditto to that. PT told me that some members and staff members think I'm the one posting anonymously. It's not me, guys. I have zero blogs and only my AireMom Twitter account.
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Evie, I know it's not you. There is a very short short-list as to the blogger's identity. Everyone knows how I feel about people that don't/won't stand behind what they say/write. Let's ask suboleak to have the courage to de-cloak.
ReplyDeleteMarie Jean, We all want the truth. That blogger is mixing some truth with some non-truths and wild accusations and loses credibility with me. PT has always stated that her reason for being discreet is job-related. Others may have said otherwise, but not PT. Though it's hard to muster up too much sympathy for some people that I KNOW have lied to me/about me/about others and have gone to great lengths to cover-up some things (such as falling for our cyber-bully) - and hurt many people (or allowed them to be hurt)..I don't agree with these tactics. Just want to go on record that I disagree.
ReplyDeleteYou're right, lchris. I can't believe the content if I can't believe the source, and when the source is anonymous, no one owns the content. It's a cowardly tactic.
ReplyDelete"As far as I know, there is only one person in the SB community that wants SBFII destroyed and that is the cyber-bully cyber-stalker known as WalkerD, Mark Conner, Orgonon, Willson, and many many other names."
ReplyDelete.....Jenny, Zoe, Carol, Zenneo(John), MaryAnn, to name a few more. I am convinced that people are STILL not aware that the two or three individuals they thought they were talking to were in fact the same person.
Just to clarify that when I mentioned ME above, I was using initials that belong to a member. I did not mean me as in myself. I apologize to Sassy and anyone else for the confusion.
ReplyDeleteMarie Jean said: , "I, for one, would like to know the truth. And I thank anyone who can bring this to light."
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with her. I have read the Suboleaks Blog and feel that it is pretty accurate. It may not be what we would like to read, but the truth cannot be denied.
Well we know what Sassy posted on her blog is true.IChris has corroborated the evidence posted. I guess we could say that Sassy is free to express her opinions on publicly posted videos and pictures.
ReplyDeleteForever Pearls, Yes, the chat that she posted matches word for word with a Word Document that was dropped in my chatroom in May. Sassy did address the comment that I objected to, and I do appreciate that.
ReplyDeletelChris, I just wanted to clarify that my previous post ""I, for one, would like to know the truth. And I thank anyone who can bring this to light." was in no way referring to the other blog. I had not seen it when I wrote this post. My remark was referring to your investigation. I, too, believe in giving my identity when I make a post.
ReplyDeleteAn afterthought from yesterday when I listed names that the cyberstalker bully used.
ReplyDeleteMark JP was another.
Sorry for the omission!
I've always been one who wanted to know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. You've said that, as far as you know, the only person who wants to bring down SBII is the cyber bully/stalker. I don't quite see it that way. It appears that PT and her croonies are doing a great job of running that site "into the ground" on their own. The number of active users on the forum is now down to less than 900.
ReplyDeleteNot good.
The correct figure for active users is now 977 - my mistake.
ReplyDeletelChris, I admire your integrity in repudiating the anonymous blogger when you wrote "Posting an anonymous blog and twitter with such mean-spirited content is cowardly." And especially more so after you wrote these words. "Though it's hard to muster up too much sympathy for some people that I KNOW have lied to me/about me/about others and have gone to great lengths to cover-up some things (such as falling for our cyber-bully) - and hurt many people (or allowed them to be hurt)..I don't agree with these tactics. Just want to go on record that I disagree. "
ReplyDeleteI also feel very badly that good, decent fans are also becoming the object of ridicule from this anonymous person. The deep anger over the PTB has spilled over into also deriding innocent people. This is so shameful.
I notice a real change on the SBII forum as well. It is not the same place. I don't much get involved there any more, but I do check the place from time to time.
ReplyDeleteThere is a lot of anger towards that site and the PTB should look into the reason for that.
Assuming that the private MSN conversation which got copied and placed on a particular public section of a Susaforum for anyone to read is 'true and unaltered' (and after some checking around, it appears to be so, although I do not know for certain that everyone who copied it and later placed it in their own blogs did so without altering its content), it really does appear that the admins and some staff members of SBFII don't 'like' some of the members and do 'talk' about them in a most unfortunate manner, some of which I suppose is only natural amongst people but is most hurtful to those concerned. It sure made me sit up and take notice, as it was the first real indication I ever ran across that 'appearances can certainly be deceiving' so far as the leadership of SBFII is concerned. I was always willing to let bygones be bygones and 'forgive' and say 'let's somehow get past all this', because a lot of good people really got terribly hurt by the shakeup last year, and many were unfortunately deluded by that cyber-stalker. I was not willing to fault anyone for that.
ReplyDeleteBut these hurt feelings concerning those very few who run SBFII have nothing to do with the the relatively new, hatefilled 'Suboleaks' blogging now going on. Whoever is responsible for those entries appears to despise not only the SBFII staff, but nearly (or possibly) the entire membership as well. I find it unconscionable that someone would write such anonymous tripe and try to pass all of it off as truly 'believeable'.
I had to wonder about the cyber-stalker--could he/she be the one responsible, for those Suboleaks entries? Could more than one person be writing them? For that matter, could more than one person be involved in the entire cyber-stalker situation? Rhetorical questions only.
As for me, I'm still a member of SBFII, but I don't feel so comfortable being a 'presence' there now, or making posts (it's not the regular members who bother me, it is those who run it and talk trash about some of us who have scared me off), so unless something changes, I'll just go read the threads I'm interested in and let it go at that. I have many friends there, but I also belong to a few other Susavillages, where I spend more of my time now.
I'll be looking forward to finding out more about whatever your investigation uncovers, and realize that what you learn and eventually pass on to us cannot be spoken of until 'everything' is firmly in place. I'll be waiting--along with a whole lot of other interested folks as well.
Allikat (I forgot how to sign in here using my gmail ID and password--sorry)
I've also removed my comments and then apologised on my blog. I just don't like people hovering over Susan. Give her a little bit of respect and space.
ReplyDeleteI am very disheartened concerning SBFII, they have bullied, scared, and/or banned fans. There is no way anyone can bring up any issues or address decisions made. You must comply, period. They have eliminated a lot of people I consider my Susafriends.
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