I would like to thank the administrators at susan-boyle.com for finally removing my name from the membership list, a month after I resigned. More on the latest purges later. Meanwhile, please check out other websites listed here, where freedom of speech is generally encouraged.
Dyebat and I would also like to thank Knudt for her time spent diligently investigating the July incident to get to the truth of what happened. There is still no public retraction stating that Dyebat, CL and I were not involved in any attempt to remove Staff or take over the site. The Board report still stands. Given these latest attempts to cover-up Staff/Member involvement, and the continued defamation - we will now provide access to all of our data to Knudt so that she can continue. Stay tuned.
Is it possible to investigate when you don't have access any longer? I hope so. I do hope that you can get to the bottom of what is going on. I find it a bit sinister.
ReplyDeleteandyp, Yes, the investigation can, and will continue. Crimes were committed and we do need to know what happened and by whom. The files that Dyebat and I have saved from May to January are safe. In several places. Knudt is very very close. She will need access to and copies of our data as she can no longer research on susan-boyle.com
ReplyDeleteWell it is certainly getting curiouser and curiouser said Alice!!!
ReplyDeleteGreat that you have all done your homework so diligently, Dyebat, Lchris, CL and Knudt.
It is becoming more and more imperative to know what all has been going on in the name of Susan-Boyle.com website to which so many of us trustingly committed ourselves for so long.
Thank you to all four of you for your persistence and perseverance - not to mention your diligence in taking copies of suspicious looking files and documents.
Janaki
I sent a pm to the "kahuna" aka kalua the first of the year to delete my membership and I deleted my membership at the official site at the same time. I only went there to read news but I just couldn't stand what was going on any longer. Even though I wasn't vocal in my disgust with PT and the way she is mishandling that fansite (and I use the term fansite very loosely) I felt it just the same. My hat is off to Dyebat, CL, IChris and the rest of you for standing up for what is right.
ReplyDeleteFormerly 1949susan
According to the Sanctions Policy posted 12-10-10, Knudt has the right to appeal after receiving her 4th warning. Wait ... you mean there were no warnings #1 - #4? But that contradicts the Sanctions Policy posted by Kalua.
ReplyDeleteBubblegum
And that surprises you, Bubblegum? They do only as they please. Rules mean nothing.
ReplyDeleteManny
I would hope that this statement can be addressed at the next board meeting.
ReplyDelete"There is still no public retraction stating that Dyebat, CL and I were not involved in any attempt to remove Staff or take over the site. The Board report still stands."
Marie Jean, it appears that despite scrutinizing so many forum threads, this one was missed:
ReplyDeleteReport from the Board 14/11/2011
Which contained the following statement:
We therefore wish to make a full and public apology to Dyebat, lchris, Citroen Lady, Kalua, PT , the staff and all of our members who have been insulted maligned and accused of various nefarious plots too numerous to mention. We also wish to make an apology to DJG and his members for the false allegation again perpetrated by the troll, that he was plotting to take over the forum.
anonymous, I don't know why you would need to hide from pointing out that statement from the public Board record. Curious. FYI, that generic apology is worthless, especially in the intentionally misleading and defamatory Board Report. A retraction to correct the record would be the right thing to do.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous number whatever, an apology is not the same as a retraction. A retraction is an admission that what was said was false. That has not yet been done.
ReplyDeleteRules clearly stated and evenly applied are a hallmark of democracy and freedom, not a banana republic. Which do you think forum.susan-boyle.com is?? 3 guesses, first two don't count. LOL!!
ReplyDeleteDyebat, if that was retracted, would there be a new foundation to rebuild trust and start over again, or is it too late because they just didn't see the need to bridge that gap?
ReplyDelete"Rebuilding" trust assumes that there was trust there to begin with. From the beginning, the staff mistrusted us. Since some of them have deliberately created or accepted one fabrication after another, (I am deliberately trying to avoid using the word "lie") there is no way we could trust them not to do it again. Trust in the Susan Boyle community can be rebuilt on sites without this poisoned history.
ReplyDeleteThis blog can point out falsehoods and correct them. It can't bring about a change of heart in those who refuse to accept transparency.
When is some of the evidence going to be presented?
ReplyDeleteSo far I've read a lot of accusations and deep, dark conspiracy theories, but haven't seen a single shred of proof of anything.
Not a single shred.
Let's have some of the transparency that we keep hearing about.
And who is mistrusting now?
ReplyDeleteWho is making accusation on top of accusation?
Who dreamed up the Sony involvement and on what is that based?
It's conjecture, pure and simple.
If Sony had any interest in that forum they would have bought it and brought in a webmaster to do the upgrades and they certainly wouldn't have allowed all of the fighting that's been going on since July.
Don't know if the last 2 comments from anonymouses-anonymice--anonymi--whatever are from the same person, but they touch on the same thing.
ReplyDeleteThe evidence for Sony's influence on the site is in the Board report, for starters, where the admin says she asked advice from Sony concerning what the site should do regarding the cyberstalker/cyberbully, and the admins, the staff, and the Board followed it. Are you saying this didn't happen? Are you calling the admin a liar?
The accusations we have made here are backed by evidence. For example, Dani's attempt to hack the new site, instead of registering & coming in openly, which she was free to do, is documented by the site's software. Perhaps you are refusing to look at the evidence? Perhaps the evidence has "disappeared" because it has been deleted in the recent purge of threads and people?
Perhaps you can give me an example of a specific accusation that lchris or I made without citing evidence. Or perhaps you are inventing some accusations that we did not make?
The anonymous poster at 10:54 and 11:51 above demanding transparency is hiding behind a proxy. LOL Personally, I think it's a waste of my time responding to questions posed from such a coward. I will say this to all... 1. Evidence that I (along with a few others) are collecting is for legal purposes, not for dissemination on this blog. 2. Anyone in a hurry for our investigations to finish is welcome to start a fund and send lots of money so we can hire a team to speed things up. The rest will have to wait as we do it ourselves. Lots of data, lots of incidents and lots of participants and lots of cover-ups to go through. 3. Plenty of public evidence of corporate influence and some Board/Staff corruption/crimes that anyone could see all along if they wanted to collect it and add it up. 4. Transparency does not mean that we must disregard all the basic rules of privacy. We do have legal rights to post chats/emails and other data to defend/clear the intentional defamation and other charges against us. We will get as much of the truth as is possible first, then decide what should be made public and what, if anything, requires legal recourse.
ReplyDeleteDear everybody,
ReplyDeleteHere's how to get your name on your post:
Click 'Select profile'
Click 'Name/URL'
Fill in your name or handle
Fill in your URL or leave it blank
Click 'Continue' and go from there
*OR*
Click 'Select profile'
Click 'Anonymous'
Write your post
Sign your post with your name/handle at the end
*OR*
Do both to be doubly not anonymous!
Evie (AireMom)
Anonymous hiding behind a Proxy. Yes, I could believe that. LOL !!!
ReplyDeleteI just want to let everyone know that I have been placed in "premoderation" (whatever THAT means). It seems to be just like timeout, but they seem to make these things up as they go along. Anyway, my warning came for what I had POSTED on THE DJG SITE!!! NOT for what I had posted on the SBFII site! They "moan" about how other sites go in there and copy and paste from their site. However, it is ok for them to do it at other sites. If this is my 4th warning, according to their own rules I should be able to appeal. I would appeal if I was sure I would get a fair hearing. With who I have heard as their chief appelate officer, I do not think it wise that I waste my time! There are wonderful people at the SBFII site; it is the administration that needs to be gotten rid of!!! fudgemeister
ReplyDeletefudgemeister,
ReplyDeleteIt is sad. I wish the Staff could stop worrying so much about what's happening outside of their site and invest their time on making their site the best possible. I believe that the extreme paranoia originated from the cyber-stalker/bully - he used so many names and told so many people so much garbage that it divided everyone. I think that you should definitely appeal. PonyLady and I have disagreed on several issues, and my experience was that she was fair. Wrong, but fair. Wrong as she had incorrect information. Keep us posted on what happens, ok?
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ReplyDeleteHang in there, Fudgemeister. You can still come back to our forum, which is pretty easy going. I think you should appeal, but a second forum can be a good thing.
ReplyDeleteI call it a double standard when EW allows its members or trolls to come to DJG's site and punish a DJG member for something they posted at DJG's. Fudge did not post it at EW. The troll should be punished as that is against EW rules as I understand it and they copied and pasted Fudge's posting word for word and took it back to EW. It is time EW starts practicing what they preach. In tbe United States of America we have freedom of speech and since Fudge's posting was NOT at EW they have no right whatsoever to punish him. EW should live up to their rules and punish the troll that came to DJG's to spy and cause trouble.
ReplyDeleteEvie, Thank you for the instructions. They seemed clear and easy enough. Still, Anonymous(e) is unable, incapable, or unwilling to follow those instructions. And yet, is somehow able to use a sleazy proxy service to hide behind. Hmmmm. Posts comments and then scurries back to forum.susan-boyle.com
ReplyDeleteWho is EW?
ReplyDeleteEW is short for ElseWhere which is a nickname for forum.susan-boyle.com.
ReplyDeleteSorry, I thought most knew who EW was. It is short for SBFII forum.
ReplyDeleteI have just received a pm from musictchr at SBFII. She is now claiming that my new timeout (it is called premoderation now) is for submitting my thread, "Transparency is Over", to SBFII. This, even though I have a pm from 1susanfan, another moderator, that states my timeout is for WHAT WAS WRITTEN ON THE DJG SITE!! Strange! Well, SBFII, WHICH is it? fudgemeister
ReplyDeleteThank you for telling me what EW is.
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